You are listening to Maxcamthropod, the podcast organised by the Max Cam Centre for the Study of Ethics, the Economy and Social Change at the University of Cambridge. This time, research associates Rachel Smith and Scott MacLochlainn speak to Caitlin Zaloom from New York University about her new book Indebted, and the moral conflicts that inhere in and between the American family, the financial logics of the middle class, and contemporary forms of debt.